So did you already sold all your possessions to help the poor? That question is just as absurd as your comment.
There is no “solution” here, vehicles are not meant to be “solutions” by using their diminishing value to get money to help the poor. If they were, you would be saying this to EVERYONE that owns one, not even public transportation should be safe from your rhetoric.
This is the exact same mindset that makes fElon think that he can just give money to the UN and magically world hunger would be gone. No, simply no.
No… but if we’re going to burn these vehicles why not reclaim and sell them instead?
All of you “smart” people are making the same argument that the owners of these vehicles would have to choose to sell them. Did they choose to have them set on fire? No. So we can sell the vehicles instead of setting them on fire and use the money to help those in need.
Wow. It’s so sad this needs to be spelled out for you people, but it’s to be expected at this point.
I doubt the same people who are capable of setting one on fire and running away have the criminal contacts to be capable of getting into the car fencing business.
There is no legal mechanism in place to “reclaim” these vehicles and force the owner to sell and redistribute to the poor, but I think you’d find widespread support here for something like that.
So instead they get torched, to send a message. I suspect it’ll get worse in the near future and I wouldn’t recommend buying one today to anyone who values their personal safety.
Right, arson is generally illegal but when we start talking about “crimes” we can also bring up “morality” and “ethics” and it becomes a much more productive discussion.
Instead of burning the cars without the owners’ permission, take them and sell them.
Use the money to help those in need.
Too many “smart people” in this comment chain assume that I mean asking the owners nicely to sell them. Did we ask the owners nicely to set the cars on fire?
From what you keep repeating over and over in this thread, it seeks like you think the German state should seize Tesla’s assets and sell them off.
That is an absolutely ridiculously unrealistic idea. But hey, let’s say you start campaigning for it TODAY. You start convincing all the “low average intelligence” people in order to get a sufficient portion of the population on board to sway politicians to seize Tesla.
(Note that this is not 50%; for example, legalizing abortions has had far wider support in the German population for a long time, yet it’s not happened so far.)
So let’s be really, REALLY optimistic and say, in 10 years you will be able to get a government voted in which enacts the seizure of Tesla assets, agaojat all corporate-backed influences and interests. And somehow change the Grundgesetz so Tesla can not spend years moving up the courts to prevent this.
Do you see how this does nothing TODAY? I’m all for the systemic change; go vote and campaign in that direction, but here, in this comment section you are not offering a realistic or timely solution. Should nothing he done until your “perfect” solution becomes workable?
Expropriating Teslas is possible without a change in the constitution but with a simple law, if they, in the individual case, can be considered means of production (Article 15 GG), though compensation is due. To expropriate under Article 14, you’d have to show that it’s for the public good, which would be a very tall order. It would also be possible to extend right-out seizing (without compensation) to traffic misbehaviour other than extreme speeding.
Article 15 has never been applied, though, so besides how generally pointless expropriating Teslas Elon already made his money with is don’t expect anything to happen before Berlin expropriates large landlords (>1000 flats) for real. Parties are doing their best to not follow up on the earlier referendum so right now the organisers are busy writing their own law which then can be referendumed into being directly applicable law.
You know what we should lobby for? Putting sanctions on Elon. In lieu of expropriating, that’d be expensive, just make him divest completely.
If the car owners sold the car, they’d have cash but no car. And apparently they need a car, else why have it in the first place. So no, the money was never going to feed the poor.
Now the owners will get compensated by their insurance and can make a smarter choice for the replacement vehicle. Tesla owners get a message, and they only one hurt is the insurer.
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So did you already sold all your possessions to help the poor? That question is just as absurd as your comment.
There is no “solution” here, vehicles are not meant to be “solutions” by using their diminishing value to get money to help the poor. If they were, you would be saying this to EVERYONE that owns one, not even public transportation should be safe from your rhetoric.
This is the exact same mindset that makes fElon think that he can just give money to the UN and magically world hunger would be gone. No, simply no.
No… but if we’re going to burn these vehicles why not reclaim and sell them instead?
All of you “smart” people are making the same argument that the owners of these vehicles would have to choose to sell them. Did they choose to have them set on fire? No. So we can sell the vehicles instead of setting them on fire and use the money to help those in need.
Wow. It’s so sad this needs to be spelled out for you people, but it’s to be expected at this point.
I doubt the same people who are capable of setting one on fire and running away have the criminal contacts to be capable of getting into the car fencing business.
Right. It doesn’t have to be the “same people.” It should be what the people who are cheering for burning these vehicles support instead.
Once enough people support it, then culture changes and we start to see progress. We’re not there yet though!
There is no legal mechanism in place to “reclaim” these vehicles and force the owner to sell and redistribute to the poor, but I think you’d find widespread support here for something like that.
So instead they get torched, to send a message. I suspect it’ll get worse in the near future and I wouldn’t recommend buying one today to anyone who values their personal safety.
There’s also no legal mechanism for arson.
Right, arson is generally illegal but when we start talking about “crimes” we can also bring up “morality” and “ethics” and it becomes a much more productive discussion.
You people are so far gone it’s sad.
Really puts things into perspective how smart the average individual is these days.
The United States is so far gone it’s sad.
I agree public education is abysmal.
Public education is fine, but people only get out of it what they put into it.
We’ve been conditioned not to value education, so that’s what’s happening.
Kind of makes me want to get back into academia. I’m tired of being surrounded by morons.
Why did I just think of this bullshit after reading your comment?
Because your herd mentality causes you to assume the crowd is correct no matter what.
What’s your alternative? It has to be something that actually works
Instead of burning the cars without the owners’ permission, take them and sell them.
Use the money to help those in need.
Too many “smart people” in this comment chain assume that I mean asking the owners nicely to sell them. Did we ask the owners nicely to set the cars on fire?
Really puts into perspective how smart ya’ll are.
WHO IS GOING TO SELL THEM THEN?
From what you keep repeating over and over in this thread, it seeks like you think the German state should seize Tesla’s assets and sell them off.
That is an absolutely ridiculously unrealistic idea. But hey, let’s say you start campaigning for it TODAY. You start convincing all the “low average intelligence” people in order to get a sufficient portion of the population on board to sway politicians to seize Tesla.
(Note that this is not 50%; for example, legalizing abortions has had far wider support in the German population for a long time, yet it’s not happened so far.)
So let’s be really, REALLY optimistic and say, in 10 years you will be able to get a government voted in which enacts the seizure of Tesla assets, agaojat all corporate-backed influences and interests. And somehow change the Grundgesetz so Tesla can not spend years moving up the courts to prevent this.
Do you see how this does nothing TODAY? I’m all for the systemic change; go vote and campaign in that direction, but here, in this comment section you are not offering a realistic or timely solution. Should nothing he done until your “perfect” solution becomes workable?
Expropriating Teslas is possible without a change in the constitution but with a simple law, if they, in the individual case, can be considered means of production (Article 15 GG), though compensation is due. To expropriate under Article 14, you’d have to show that it’s for the public good, which would be a very tall order. It would also be possible to extend right-out seizing (without compensation) to traffic misbehaviour other than extreme speeding.
Article 15 has never been applied, though, so besides how generally pointless expropriating Teslas Elon already made his money with is don’t expect anything to happen before Berlin expropriates large landlords (>1000 flats) for real. Parties are doing their best to not follow up on the earlier referendum so right now the organisers are busy writing their own law which then can be referendumed into being directly applicable law.
You know what we should lobby for? Putting sanctions on Elon. In lieu of expropriating, that’d be expensive, just make him divest completely.
Oh, agreed - I was just trying to engage with the hypothetical that “cool” was plastering all over this thread.
I do not condone violence but if you must act violently, at least target the dealership, not random people’s private property.
If the car owners sold the car, they’d have cash but no car. And apparently they need a car, else why have it in the first place. So no, the money was never going to feed the poor.
Now the owners will get compensated by their insurance and can make a smarter choice for the replacement vehicle. Tesla owners get a message, and they only one hurt is the insurer.
My god, every single one of you are repeating the same thing.
It’s insane how low average intelligence has gotten, but here we are.
This is why the disparity in wealth is what it is.
Lol, thanks for identifying yourself. I always like to get a head start and block deluded people before they get too annoying.