I’ve been boycotting Amazon since 2004. Waiting for everybody else to see it too. … See it yet??? Everybody???

Reminds a little of Socrates, when asked what his punishment should be.

A lot of the replies to this, in rough grok analysis of epistemics at play, to be fair, remind me more of those who kept insisting blue LED were impossible, and their arguments remind me more of “we cannot have spaceships because the string doors won’t work in space” type arguments, more than they remind me of industry agents intentionally sowing seeds of ignorance squared. [~ Mild confidence. Generously [amidst some redherrings and moved goalposts etc.].]

… And fun to think of the contrast of those two examples. They’re [/you’re] almost certainly seeing this with blue LED, and blue LED was sought by industry, did not obsolete their industry, but enhanced the demand for their product, while augmenting the appeal and profit margins and all kinds of other features (~ radically different world where we did not yet get blue led… smart phones wouldn’t have happened, for a start). They’re [you’re] almost certainly not seeing this while sat in their [/your] own spaceship, nor even a water powered car… probably not even a car fuelled with hemp oil or ethanol (~ radically different world where we did not get any of those suppressed… far fewer incentive for resource wars, far greater self empowerment and a better educated and empowered populace, resulting in better democracy from that better informed public, with a better practical grasp of energy, utility, facility, society, health and more, on the road to becoming polymaths in the making (~ rather than single-purpose slaves in training)).

Certainly a part, a potential.

I wonder about coupling such with things like mycelia too, that can grow from radiant energy besides light, and can form symbiotic relationships with plants, and so, maybe (if this isn’t too simple-thinking), yeast with algae, there could likewise by biological catalysis, synergies, mutual boons, that even then produce other useful stuff too.

~ that also got me thinking of the various pond surface plants, and how prolifically efficient growers they are too. Not sure how to put that to use, besides, idk, a source of protein and b12 for vegans.

~ and, not quite sure why, but that moonpool reforestation method springs to mind too. I don’t know how yet, but put all these things (and more) together, and, … good results. ;)

I believe they crush technologies, but most of the things you mentioned aren’t true.

Beliefism and contradiction asserted.

There were no spaceships possible in the 1930s.

Foo fighters only showed up in the 1940s are you thinking? Or not even aware of those? Or the bell (“die glocke”)? Nor my earlier examples looked into? Just presuming? If so, how? By mistaking absence of evidence as evidence of absence?

Why crush that technology when they could have conquered the world with it?

LOL. Fun way to answer your own question.

It’s not possible to run cars on water.

Indeed. Any who attempt to, seem to die or disappear. … iirc, Stanley Meyers’ famous moment, running out of the restaurant from a meeting with some potential “investors”, shouting “THEY POISONED ME”, just before he died, seems to serve (intentionally or not) as a warning and disincentive to even try.

The thermodynamics just doesn’t make sense.

Have seen each of the methods of catalysis and can refute each? That’d be thoroughly educational|entertaining|enthralling to see.

[Just remembered before posting… didn’t one method use a combination of lasers and plasma… one of the cavitation methods… idk, been decades since looking into this stuff. Hazy tidbits of memories for the curious and studious to chase if they want. … (Perhaps futilely) hoping websearch not so censored as cannot find this stuff any more. ~ Had to dig 100s of pages deep into search results even back then.]

Even before learning more about the states of matter that water can get into (including recent stuff on it being two different liquid states simultaneously), the magnetic alignment method has fascinated me (~ in passing… I’ve run no tests ~ dear industry, pls leave me be. lol.). It would be great to share an exploration of the various ranges, of state conditionals; of energy levels, types, frequencies and wave shapes; of cavitation, aperture, geometry; of ortho water and para water, ratios thereof; of water isotopes; ratios thereof; of impurities, solutes, salinity, ionisation, pH; and so on. To really draw out the more complete matrix of water’s potential (~ at least in the mundane material utility sense). [/*dreamer*]

Anyways, the claims are out there. Mere nay-saying is an unsatisfactory replacement for refutation, especially amidst conflicts of interest and dogmatic world views that salaries depend upon. Closed minds are never wrong.

I hope the water thing is /s

Why do you want that to be sarcasm?

Wouldn’t you prefer that to be true??

You hope differently to me.

Water powered car’s been invented more than just that once with the famous Stanley Meyer story. Y’know those blow torch thingies, that use water? Yeah, same basic principle. And remember in that special episode of Top Gear (I think it was maybe the Myanmar episode), where Hammond put a little water in his engine (in with the fuel) to give it more go at altitude? Same principle as many of the "water powered car"s use, where instead of (afaiu) electromagnetic alignment catalyst, they use chemical catalysts (and other starters and combustants etc), to which some eager naysayers throw the baby out with the bathwater and proclaim it all bunk because those designs were not using pure water. … I’m not sure any use entirely pure water, do they? Didn’t even Stanley Meyers design involve some kind of other chemical in the mix too? I’m not looking into it any further than is popularly known. I don’t want to be mistaken for an inventor, attracting the attention of the ruthless unscrupulous sorts with a lot invested in their rentier ride. ;)

Amusing aside… can haz steam powered car too. ;) Too contrived to call that water powered? Hehe. Even a Stirling engine?

Heeh! :D I’ve just had effectively the exact same thing, except for advertising. “Mind control does not exist” they said, to the face of one saying they used to be one of those doing it!

I find it hard to be enthused for trains, trams, and busses any more, since discovering over 20 years ago that clean energy and many other technologies and man-made innovations have been suppressed to maintain out dependence on scarce polluting energy because it’s easier to put a meter on to extract rents by. … So much so… y’know we could have had spaceships each since the 1930s? T Townsend Brown was not the first nor the leading pinnacle. Even back to the mid 1800s, when they were rigging their hot air balloons with faraday cages and high freq e.m. fields to reduce, and even eliminate inertia [… 1 small vacuum-proofing hop, and you have rudimentary interstellar flight capabilities]… … we never needed rockets, we never needed planes. … we don’t really need buses either. Or cars.

But if we make a nice world, buses still could be very nice to have.

Semi-subway trains too.

And cars even too. Track day, anyone? :)

Whole lot of vertical space unused in this world [and beyond]. We have so much headroom without the crooks holding us down. Heck! Even the crooks, even with their billions and trillions, would be better off, if we availed, each and all, all the emancipatory technologies.

Y’know we could have had spaceships each since the 1930s, right?

Or even just running our cars on seed oils, like hempseed oil, or plant derived ethanol.

Or even just running our cars on water.

… If they’d stop killing inventors and stop abusing the patent system to secretize emancipatory technologies.

Quick side note regarding:

Now I know what to watch on my day off!

Don’t judge it by season 1, when it was still finding its feet. It’s worthy, past whatever scruffy shabbiness of early season 1.

… fairly obviously not. LOL. Key piece of evidence, I’m still alive.

Both accounts use long, structured, paragraphs with somewhat of a scholarly tone. Both often use unsolicited hyperlinks for definitions or references in their paragraphs. Both have an interest in Star Trek.

… Up to that point, I started freaking out, thinking I maybe look a bit like one of their alts. lol. yikes.

… Mushrooms and grass are free, growing all around… So… presumably you mean you have to pay to be touched?

Reminds of when I got dumped, and went out with an air rifle and shot a couple birds (would have been 3, but I missed with the last slug I found). Utterly out of character. I wonder (and doubt) if they (at least yet) likewise feel greatest remorse for their weakest moment [of “hurt people hurt people”].

… And reminds of [in Babylon5] when Lennier had a moment of fail, out of character, ran from saving Sheradin, … and How D’lenn handled it, sympathetic to how we are each susceptible to such moments of fail and we let our worst overtake our better.

Still… another’s capacity for such wise sympathy (or empathy), is no excuse for them.

[Edit: … After being reminded of the specific situation this time though… I strongly doubt that’s even their weakest moment of hurting people; strongly doubt that’s a mere case of a rare moment of letting their worst get the better of their better… given what was initially done (and in which direction!!!). Wardrobe not big enough for all those skeletons [that I imagine, I hope, merely metaphorically].]

Confluence of stress burnout, and character traits.

Is worthwhile to explore both the psychological and societal precursors to such.

… Probably worthwhile looking into narcissism too. Albeit many perspectives on the topic, there are common themes and distinct insights to catch, that are sometimes difficult to really have sink in, so distinct and alient an umwelt exists behind the contrastingly “normal” facade. Until blow-out.

… Probably worthwhile looking into autism too. Maybe AuDHD specifically (whom are the majority). The absence of the socially normativising stuff, from the different neurophysiology, almost like we’re having to do all the work of the cerebelum, the gpu, in the forebrain, the cpu, with the neuronal journeys having more finegrain, less pruning, and fewer main reinforced trunks, and so experience far more of the intricate detail all the way there, and all the way back… it’s not just exhausting in itself, the extra brain power required for all the meta-navigation, only having the intricacies of side roads of working-it-out-now, none of the popular motorways of presumption, but also exhausting from the resultant clashes, and the cassandra syndrome, putting up with a majority who dismiss what you see in preference for their shared reality, regardless of how well it can be seen otherwise… no judgement on who’s right or wrong there, only a consideration of what it’s like, having to live like that. … I can imagine that adds a whole other dimension of burnout to be experienced. And then when having found something that can accommodate you, avails a space where you’re finally allowed the control you need to soothe your fine-grain sensitivities from that different awareness frequency range, gives you that peace, and then that area expands back into the social space, where there’s still a different umwelt clash, each modality appearing stupid to the metrics of the other modality. And in the absence of support nor aptitude in that other’s stubborn paradigm, for your own stubborn paradigm, whether you try to brashly persist in your integrity, or you try to bend to fit, it exhausts, either way. And then melt-downs and rage-attacks and so on can happen. Especially when got so close to it, and identified with it, this new thing you made that availed you such grace, that could save the world, that’s part of you… and then these ungrateful swine come along and threaten it!? Yeah, I can see how such blow-outs could come about.

Especially bad if one has both autism and narcissism. The narcissism would preclude their any will whatsoever to self improvement. They’d have total aversion to accountability. No real introspection, and thus no real regret or apology is possible. Only pretence. If even that. Sometimes the grandiosity slips out of the mask of even the most covert narcissists (and community narcissists, martyr hero narcissists, vulnerable narcissists, etc). Narcissists, especially the true ones, where it has become their personality, and not just a rare incidental moment or rarer trait, in having itpped past the point of introspection, into delusional non-reality in fantasy love of their self image, no longer able to distinguish other people as other people, seeing them only as means to their own ends, and lingering in that, growing more machiavelian, psychopathic, even sadistic and demented. And in a way, a bit of a saving grace for us all, if the autism’s louder than the socially manipulative covert machiavellianisms. Better the devil we can see [because they lack the social aptitude to hide], than the devil we cannot see [because they hide among us, pretending to be the paragons of virtue].

As in not just honest ones for robustness against outages, but, sock puppets?

Oh! Is that maybe why my network choked to a mere double figure kb crawl after I posted about it [~ and pasting the diatribe for posterity, and so others wouldnt have needed visit that]?

I just presumed it was the dozen distro ISO I was downloading at the time too, in a distroholic relapse.

… I’m not really paying attention to all this drama.

…needs a 3rd option out of the initial box, through “I don’t know. What’s in your ideology?” and on to other Socratic inquiry.

My political philosophy is avowedly anti-malarchy.

We must have missed some. It seems to have come back worse.