• apotheotic (she/her)@beehaw.org
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        8 months ago

        No :)

        Let’s see. How can I break this down.

        I think it’s quite fair to assume that when people use the term China in isolation, they are referring to the authoritarian dictatorship state controlled by the CCP, The Peoples Republic of China.

        ROC a governmental body, still holds onto the idea that it is the sole rightful “owner” of all the territories of pre-1949 China. Good for them, a little far from reality but I can’t blame them for having dreams.

        A significant portion of the people of Taiwan do not under any circumstances want to be part of anything under rule of the CCP, which in reality means that they do not want to be part of the Peoples Republic of China. The ROC, on the other hand, still wants to hold into the idea of their claim over the whole region, so it’s interests are in conflict with the people’s in that regard.

        Thus! Taiwan is an independent state from the PRC because the chances of the PRC being governed by anyone but the CCP is slim to none.

        I note you went straight to swearing at me, quoting my own “fuck right off” which was directed at a government and not any individual. I’m sure you understand why this doesn’t make me any more likely to support your stance, but do try to be kinder.

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        Did you even think before writing that? What am I saying, of course you didn’t.

        the ROC doesn’t consider th Taiwan to be an independent state

        Because they lose any possible claim to their continuity as the rightful government of China by doing so. Also, the CCP would be quite pissy about that.

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        8 months ago

        Anyone with even a smidge of knowledge about the actual situation of the Taiwan issue.

        Contrary to what’s usually depicted, neither Taiwan nor China consider Taiwan as an independent country. Taiwan, or more accurately the Republic of China (ROC), claims sovereignty over this territory.

        Both the ROC and the People’s Republic of China (PRC) consider Taiwan to be a province of China, it just happens that the ROC only has control over Taiwan while the PRC has control over China

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      8 months ago

      Err… the Philippines, the former US colony? Where currently new US military bases are being built? Which China has never ruled, attempted to rule, or said they want to rule?

      You’re worried that China is going to claim the Philippines???

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        8 months ago

        Which China has never ruled

        True, the CCP claiming The Philippines would be seen as ridiculous by the rest of the world.

        Then again, the CCP has never ruled Taiwan either…

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          8 months ago

          Then again, the CCP has never ruled Taiwan either…

          Oh yeah that’s like exactly the same situation.

          1. Send US military to “protect” one side in the Chinese civil war and occupy parts of China.
          2. Say you’re in favor of eventual peaceful reunification, but actually prevent it for decades.
          3. Break promise and claim the territory was never really part of China to begin with.
          4. Pretend you’re the victim and China is “expansionist”.
          5. World War 3?
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    8 months ago

    Pathetic. You’d think a country colonized by a foreign nation would be more sympathetic to their struggle for independence.

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      8 months ago

      What? Neither side represents the indigenous population of Taiwan.

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              Britain is historically just England and Wales, though colloquially now used as a shorter way of saying “Great Britain”, which is England, Wales, and Scotland.

              The British isles is England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland (and all the smaller islands like the Hebrides, Orkneys, etc)

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                Fuck off British isles is a term used by the occupiers to legitimize their occupation. The Republic is not a part of the British isles

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                  The British Isles is a term used because Albion fell out of favor.