Summary
Elon Musk’s America PAC is offering $100 to registered voters who sign a petition opposing “activist judges” ahead of Wisconsin’s Supreme Court election on April 1st.
The legality of this tactic is debated, as it doesn’t mandate voting but requires voter registration.
The race pits conservative Brad Schimel, backed by Musk’s $14 million, against liberal Judge Susan Crawford, with liberals aiming to retain a 4-3 majority.
Musk’s support also ties to Tesla’s lawsuit against Wisconsin’s dealership ban.
The tactic is no longer legally questionable. It’s a member of government making opaque donations to manipulate government. It’s unquestionably illegal.
Not so long ago, buying votes was illegal
You know what’s disgusting? Just how cheap this is for him. 14 million for him is the equivalent of $35 for someone who is worth $1 million.
Same shit he did that helped him steal the last presidential election. These motherfuckers are buying judges in plain sight.
The legality of this tactic is debated
How legal it is entirely depends on who’s going to enforce this
Arrest this bastard and throw him in Florence ADmax for life!
I’ve hurt nobody physically and I’m just trying to fix the country sob sob 😭
It was illegal last year and the people in charge did not act. Now what’re you gonna do? Shortsighted fucking idiots.
So can I take his money and vote how I want? How would he know?
you certainly can. the vote is secret and he’d not be allowed to demand/buy a specific vote. which he is doing, but adding some layer of obfuscation
You can take his money vote for the liberal judge take a photo of your vote and send it to him. They can’t force you or pay you to vote any specific way. If you sign a contract that breaks the law the contract isn’t valid.
It’s what I would do. Rich people think everyone else is motivated solely by money, it’s kind of their weakness.
Cool. Another blatant bribery case that nothing will be done about because he’s above the law.
Now now, let’s not be uncharitable.
I’m sure someone is working on filing a legal challenge. Thereafter everyone will need several years to collate evidence, then getting everyone in a room can be tough, and then there might be appeals.
In as little as 7 or 8 short years we could have an answer as to whether or not this petition was allowed to take place.
While I get the cynicism, it’s not like there are no means to stall a possibly illegal practice until a proper ruling has been done. The judicative branch isn’t entirely toothless and isn’t ignorant of the reality of time-sensitivity.
Tell that to the guys who got deported to El Salvador when the federal judge ordered the planes to turn around mid-flight.
Oh you mean ignoring the rule of law makes the judicative branch irrelevant? Who would’ve thonk.
You’re right, but sadly in recent years I’ve just lost all faith that any kind of timely intervention will be implemented.
They’ll just dismiss it as the voting is over
The Supreme Court said as much of the President, which is basically Elon.
Nothing will be done because the voters don’t seem to want anything done.
Not free speech
I guarantee he used this tactic in '24 to get a list of names and submitted fake ballots in those people’s names with an AI algorithm using Ethan Shao Tran’s (doge boy who won hackathon in 2020) ballotproof software. Not 1 recount in any of the swing states. If this goes the way I think it will, a recount MUST be demanded.
@Raiderkev @MicroWave the Election Truth Alliance have found some weird numbers (as have Smart Elections) and are currently asking for people to sign a petition for Pennsylvania to hand recount three specific counties https://youtu.be/LBDqYxZoc14
@Raiderkev @MicroWave here are some of Smart Elections’ findings. https://open.substack.com/pub/smartelections/p/so-clean
I want to believe, but can anyone debunk this? Like, point out a reasonable, plausible explanation for this that doesn’t involve fraud?
Election denialism without proof is just as dumb now as it was when Trump did it.
Spreading unfounded bullshit is how we got into this mess. It isn’t welcome here.
No, it’s not. The whole reason Trump lied about so much, and so often, was basically to poison the well, and cry wolf so many times that the opposition would look foolish to make the same claims.
He was doing that intentionally, knowing the whole time they had a plan to steal 24 and beyond.
In all honesty, there should always be hand recounts, period. Only frauds and idiots would have an issue with that.
There are hand recounts, audits and many other safeguards already prescribed by laws that have been in place across multiple presidencies both Democrats and Republicans have been in power and none were able to find anything but incredibly rare fraud done by individuals.
You are not alleging anything specific or providing any actual evidence of actual failures in the system on a scale that could have changed the outcome. This is just like in the Big Lie election denialism.
You’re not talking about reality, you’re trying to spread conspiracy and conjecture based on fear, uncertainty and doubt.
You are talking exactly like the people who promoted the Big Lie on the right. You’re trying to poison people against our democratic systems with lies and conspiracy.
It’s bullshit based on no evidence and reliant on people believing a conspiracy. You’re spreading misinformation.
Except it’s not. He won just barely beyond the threshold for an automatic recount in all seven swing states.
Statistically, the data does not align with non swing states. If you recall the Russian referendum that gave Putin more power, the data looks almost identical. Putin likely shared his methods with Trump and Elon. Big Balls is the grandson of a KGB agent, and Ethan Shao Tran made ballot reading software that had a write function. They quickly scrubbed his involvement from the project shortly after it came out. Why? What do they have to hide?
https://bsky.app/profile/denisedwheeler.bsky.social/post/3lhowh3ijgs2f
https://freespeechforpeople.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/letter-to-vp-harris-111324-1.pdf
Thiel and Elon are tight from their PayPal days. Thiel has expressed that democracy is outdated and expressed desires for network states that sound straight out of 1984. This video does an in depth breakdown if you want to learn further. It’s from 4 months ago and has been accurate so far.
If one does not believe in democracy, they wouldn’t have any issues subverting it. Trump even said Elon was so good with those “vote counting computers” because he can’t keep himself from bragging about it. Then Elon’s kid who is not old enough to form his own thoughts said “they’ll never know what we did” “we quietly do whatever we want.” And since he’s been Elon’s 24/7 meat shield since Luigi happened, we can only assume he heard it from Elon.
I wanted hand recounts in November to verify this. We didn’t get that. Now I want audits. The data is off. This isn’t conjecture. Elon is not above manipulating data to get his way. Philip Low fired him with cause for trying to manipulate their stock. He’s likely manipulated TSLA stock for years. He’s manipulated his stupid path of exile account ffs.
As the other user mentioned. The whole charade in '20 was to poison the well so the Dems would be hesitant to look like hypocrites by calling it out in '24. Democracy is cooked now, and there’s no voting this out. They have rigged it and fired all the watchdogs that ensure free and fair elections. We are fucked.
Does a video confession count?
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-quote-rigged-election-president/
“They rigged the election and I became president!”
Beginning at 2:46 for the whole quote.
No, because what you’re referring to isn’t a confession and calling it one is misleading.
Confessions involve admitting conduct that you personally were involved in. The linked article isn’t a confession by any definition of the word.
If I say “<You> killed a homeless person.” Is that a confession of murder? Are you a murderer because “I confessed” that you did it?
In addition, from the article:
Although the clip is unaltered and the quote in question is authentic, Trump did not specify whether he was referring to the 2020 or 2024 presidential election.
Saying “they rigged the election and I won” could have been referring to the 2020 election which, if you’ll recall, Trump claimed the Democrats (they) rigged the election and also that he won the 2020 election.
The real question is, are you being misleading on purpose or are you ignorantly repeating things that you’ve seen elsewhere?
Agreed. What is 100% proven is the fact that Republicans targeted democrats and did voter roll purges. Unethical and a shitty tactic, but evidently legal. This resulted in a LOT of provisional ballots, which are not counted unless the election becomes close.
Hackers need to empty his bank accounts.
The only way something like that would realistically happen is with a lot of social engineering. Which means getting close to muskrat for a while. So, not gonna happen.
Bro one of the fucking DOGE shitheads left his personal Google calendar in public.
Not as hard as you think.
While Musk is a total moron, he’s a paranoid moron. It would take getting his trust and then finding a way to spoof his personal cellphone or get into his phone.
He’s paranoid because he’s trying to be a dictator, all dictators are inherently and justly paranoid that someone is out for them.
I think if someone hacks into Musk, its going to be more social engineering than technical, and that might be a while unless someone has been doing a very long operation. I’ll be happy however if it turns out he has the worst possible password/2fa methods possible.
I got $100 that says pegasus is installed on his android phone without his knowledge.
Oh for sure, but I think we all do. Every spy agency probably knows a good backdoor/exploit to every OS.
I’m still not convinced that he isn’t doing this to pull some sort of election fraud
He’s already committed election fraud. 2016, he openly solicited an enemy nation to interfere with our elections, which is treason.
There won’t be any peace in this country until him and EVERY SINGLE ONE of his co-conspirators are publicly executed
This, in and of itself, is literally election fraud.
It gives them information with which to rig elections. Exactly what he’s doing with the entire nation’s social security information. Train a model on that, and you instantly have all the information you need to rig an election that is practically undetectable unless you actually go back and review every single ballot, which we know won’t happen.
They’ve bragged about fixing the last election. There are no consequences. We’ll just have to content ourselves with watching Tesla burn along with American democracy.
No, we just have to hold them accountable, that’s what the fourth box is for
