There’s no entitlement like the entitlement of shit drivers.
“But my car wouldn’t have any damage if it was just the usual soft pedestrian!”
He’s complaining about having to turn it into opposing traffic because the road is now too narrow. Then the footage shows him very clearly barely turning the wheel. I’ve taken sharper turns than that without going on to the opposing lane. This guy just doesn’t know how to drive.
If he can’t make that turn he both bought too large if a vehicle and also is a shit driver.
This just in: shitty drivers don’t know the size of their vehicle. More on this at 6 (apparently).
That’s not what the guy is complaining about. It’s a perfectly valid point that with a longer vehicle you have to cut into the oncoming lane or your rear tires will hit the curb.
Feel free to criticize people you disagree with, but at the very least you should criticize what they’re actually saying rather than your unfair interpretation of it.
Firstly, that’s a big ass car and no one other than tradesperson or people who work closely with construction should be driving that. Secondly, that’s a big ass gap, at least 1m, dude purposefully went all the way out there to proof his point.
As I said, feel free to disagree but at least disagree with their actual point - not your interpretation of it.
It’s unclear to me what your personal opinion on pickup trucks has to do with any of this. I’m talking about fairly representing people’s views. I don’t know what it is you seem to take issue with.
No offense but that’s a basic
F150Ram 1500. It’s got one of the shortest beds of the lineup.A vehicle with a longer bed or dual wheels, or even with a trailer (say a municipal vehicle for the sake of argument) might have trouble making that turn. It’s not necessarily that his personal truck can’t do it. Just because his truck can doesn’t mean all vehicles can.
It needs to be safe enough for all vehicles that might have to travel that road.
They designed that vehicle without regard for safety. Then it was rated poor for pedestrian safety and people still bought it. They made the street safe for the people Ford and the buyer ignored.
It sounds to me like you haven’t been in a Ford truck for some time and you’re basing your opinion on safety rating information for certain events where the occupants aren’t wearing seatbelts and don’t take the proper precautions to prevent things from flying around the vehicle in a crash.
No offense but vehicles are better built for safety now than they were the previous 5 years, 10 years, 20 years etc. But this isn’t about safety in the event of a crash. If you mean ability to see pedestrians in front, this is true but it also has nothing to do with their ability to safely turn a corner without going into incoming traffic to do so.
Newer vehicles generally have better turning radii than older ones. I know for a fact that there are some passenger vehicles on the road including municipal working vehicles and ambulances that can’t make that turn safety without jumping the curb. With those rods extended upward vertically the front or rear bumper of a larger vehicle with a worse turning radius can’t clear that without breaking the law and swinging into oncoming traffic.
There is a reason that the law states that you must drive as if there are other people on the road.
As far as the argument about not all roads being required to support all vehicles, every road should generally be able to facilitate an ambulance being driven on it (not even in an emergency situation, but in general).
So while I admit that his personal truck can safely make that turn with no problem, that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a point.
I would love to hear from a civil engineer or city planning engineer about this.
I’m from an old American city with some of the narrowest roads and residential streets and I wouldn’t discount his argument just because it doesn’t effect him.
I think its actually a RAM 1500 but your point still stands.
Yeah. Like. I get it. People are pissed because passenger vehicles in the US keep getting bigger and more unweildy and people don’t want them on the road because of the danger to pedestrians.
But at the same time, the people who service your roads, power lines and water systems and respond to emergency situations still have to drive on them.
Just because he’s being overdramatic about his own vehicle doesn’t mean he’s not right.
Dude is obviously got bit of a moron and a shit driver yet his point is correct.
These are shit design.
“it was intended to make roads safer, but one guy told us it’s done just the opposite”
Okay, so I guess that one guy being angry is the opposite of safety.I’ve never heard of a city making a road less safe with the intention of slowing down traffic.
Depending on how you frame it, that happens all the time. For example, a speedbump causes speed reduction, but at high speeds it causes (momentary) loss of control. Or narrowing the road, which means less margin for error.
People will drive their cars as fast as feels safe. By introducing hazards, you make people slow down which increases safety, but each feature in isolation could be said to be dangerous in some way, y’know?
To be honest those gray small concrete blocks with funny useless poles in them are really a bad road UI design.
Not visible enough and too small to be effective anyway…
So while the complaints are stupid, they have a point: make those road blockers bigger and more visible. Maybe more signage as well…
My sneaking suspicion is that they make things like these or medians almost invisible on purpose to piss people off and make the situation worse, so that they can then point to the idea of “safer road design” as a failure and go back to the old way.
I mean, the blue shirt guy admitted that some vehicles might have to turn over the median into oncoming traffic to avoid the thing on the road. That isn’t great, in defense of people not liking this change. That’s dangerous, and bad design.
The example they used had the turning circle of an oil tanker and would have trouble with a lot of corners. Any normal vehicle would be fine.
Crashing into an oil tanker would probably be worse for the oncoming vehicle than crashing into a normal vehicle though. Forcing any vehicle into oncoming traffic is dangerous design.
Edit: people down voting truth and common sense. 🤷♂️ Cool.
Are you a civil engineer or technician?
In my area MOST small residential roads will already require semis to turn into oncoming in order to make tight turns - this is not uncommon, and a reason there’s additional licensing for those vehicles. They have a wide turning radius and should know where and how to make that maneuver safely.
There’s nothing wrong with this setup - speaking as a civil engineer in road design.
Are you a civil engineer or technician?
Why do you give me only those two options lol?
Typically, civil engineers are the only ones who can stamp drawings, and the ones who take legal responsibility for the design. But I know there are some jurisdictions where eng techs can ‘design’ and take some level of responsibility, so wanted to leave that door open.
Something tells me you’re not in road design though, regardless of title.
No lol, I’m not in road design. I am a civil engineer, however.
The large vehicles he’s referring to are industrial large vehicles. Which require special licensing. Even the big ass pickup truck they showed could make the turn with no issues at all going at a reasonable speed.
Not every truck a municipality’s public works department uses is this size. You don’t need special licensing to drive a dual wheel F350 long bed, and I’d wager that might be a problem to turn that corner depending on what it has in it. If they need to replace signs, or even just do road work, they need to be able to turn that corner. I have a lot of questions about this.
What happens when it’s an ambulance (a lot of those are built on f450 chassis and don’t require a CDL).
Also from context I think that’s a residential neighbourhood so how many large trucks are going to be driving through?
Any municipal vehicle. They don’t get sewage backups or anything? They never need an ambulance?
